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Bakerloo Line Extension Consultation

[consultations.tfl.gov.uk]

I think important at Elephant and Castle is improved interchange not only between Northern and Bakerloo Lines, but also to National Rail and Buses.

I would certainly support shaft 1 being in the middle of the Bricklayer's Arms junction rather than in a public park.

I prefer option no 2 for both stations.
The Tesco option would give better interchange with bus routes along the old Kent road.
The Toys R Us option would be further long the old Kent Road, I think the site near B and Q is too close to the Old Kent Road 1 Site station.


(These are my current personal thoughts, please let me know what you think)

Renata
I think it is such a shame that OKR won. Both options should have gone ahead: Camberwell and its environs are so poorly served by anything other than buses. Even an extension to Denmark Hill and nothing else would have helped enormously, especially with all the new builds in and around the Green and down W'worth Road.
It's a shame that it wasn't also extended via camberwell and Peckham is my main comment
What does this mean ?

"The Mayor of London's transport body also said it was committed to a second phase of the extension beyond Lewisham.
The proposed route, chosen over others, would go through Peckham and Camberwell."

[www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk]

Edit: Probably just badly written smiling smiley



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Have to agree with the previous two comments. The chosen route means this proposal is of no further interest to me.
Nigello Wrote:

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> I think it is such a shame that OKR won. Both
> options should have gone ahead: Camberwell and its
> environs are so poorly served by anything other
> than buses. Even an extension to Denmark Hill and
> nothing else would have helped enormously,
> especially with all the new builds in and around
> the Green and down W'worth Road.

Is Old Kent Road any better served? I'd argue probably worse served than Camberwell
What happened to the proposed extension of the Victoria line from Brixton to Crystal Palace, that was all the rage amongst estate agents when I moved to the area.
I definitely wanted an extension through Camberwell and Peckham too!I don't think that second phase means Camberwell and Peckham, but further extension to Hayes from Lewisham.
Renata
Renata Hamvas Wrote:

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> I definitely wanted an extension through
> Camberwell and Peckham too!I don't think that
> second phase means Camberwell and Peckham, but
> further extension to Hayes from Lewisham.
> Renata

I did too.

But there's more money to be made the OKR route, and
whether that's the right way to decide, I don't know.

I assume eventually whats at Elephant now will extend
down the Old Kent Road.
if we remove our own self-interest...then the OKR makes more sense for investment/renewal by a country mile
It's true that OKR is better for developers and investors. Not for the established communities / taxpayers living in south London though. Same for northern line extension, unless taxpayers are subsidising a development of private flats, transport improvements aren't on the cards in London



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Do we have a housing crisis in London or not? Will investment in housing be driven by transport links? Does the OKR in general have more opportunity for development?

All a straight 'yes' as far as I can see if i remove what suits me and other tax payers in Camberwell, East Dulwich & Peckham...
The answers are yes to those questions. However, if taxpayers are going to effectively subsidise house building, I would rather see us building council housing, not pouring money into another development of 'luxury apartments. The taxpayers of south London who are funding the transport system should expect it to serve them. The area around the new northern line terminals is already being dubbed Singapore on Thames because So much has been sold off plan to overseas investors.
If developers want to build along OKR, great. Not sure why taxpayers should pour money into their private venture, whilst their own transport needs are ignored.
If affordable housing requirements aren't dodged (as they already have been done along the road in Elephant), then I'll be a monkeys uncle.
Given that the extension pointedly avoids our neck of the woods, why ask for our views? Why are our Councillors wasting their time on something which is no longer relevant to us?

I would be far more interested in what our elected Representatives are going to do to improve fixed track public transport up the Walworth Rd and through Camberwell?

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Very good point Michael
The latest version of the New Southwark Plan talks about rebuilding/reopening Camberwell station on the railway line, but I think last time this was mooted, Network Rail was lukewarm about the idea, to say the least.

[www.disused-stations.org.uk]
I would have preferred Peckham, but for the times I want to get into town using the Bakerloo line, it would still be helpful to be able to get on at Dunton Road rather than having to stay on the bus to Elephant and Castle.
All we need is a guided bus, not a tram or a Tube. Guided buses have done wonders for big, densely-populated cities in Asia and LatAm and they also exist in parts of the UK. Councillors and developers here tend to pooh-pooh them because they don't have the "sexiness" of trams/light rail.
Can't see the public transport situation from SE22 into SE1 via SE5 and SE15 getting any better soon (which is why I walk a whole lot more than I used to).
I hope that at the very least, they ensure there is some secure bike parking at the Dunton Road station (like they have at Finsbury Park).
I don't believe I wasted people's time posting about this, Michael. Many of my ward residents use the train services from Peckham Rye (first 63/363 bus) and Nunhead Station. The current rail/tube interchange at Elephant and Castle is appalling. There are places where rail/tube interchanges work, but not here! I'm wondering if, as the Bakerloo Line extention will go under the Old Kent Road if there is a possibility that the station is moved closer to the National Rail and Northern Line. The other possible link is southbound to Lewisham from the Southwark Stations (if Elephant and Castle interchange improvements are not possible). Is there going to be a good interchange between Lewisham Rail and the tube? (this isn't mentioned at all in the consultation, I think this is really important) I think if the Lewisham interchange is good, an increased frequency on the Victoria to Dartford Service will be required eg to 4 an hour to cope with extra demand. Lewisham like Peckham Rye is in Zone 2 & 3 so there wouldn't be cost involved in going Southbound.
Renata
There are established communities and tax payers all around OKR. To read this you'd thinknot was completely uninhabited.

I get that you'd have liked to to Camberwell, but this thread is just sour grapes.

Plus anyone arguing that Peckham isn't well served by trains are crazy imo.
Let's see where all that public money goes and who benefits eh? Have a look at northern line extension and nine elms if you want a glimpse of the future of OKR 'development opportunity site'



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As it will be of no use to me, or this neck of the woods at all, I couldn't give a toss.
££££ Wrote:

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> if we remove our own self-interest...then the OKR
> makes more sense for investment/renewal by a
> country mile


I couldnt agree more, this are is a dead zone transport wise. Old Kent road seems like a more natural extension in my mind.
Yeah, the PC World is a dead zone for transport
I'm not interested really - as long as I don't have to pay for it.

It'll be for rich property developers.
As taxpayers, we do pay for it of course. We pay for the development at Nine Elms / Battersea - in order to ensure maximum return for the developers of luxury flats and the speculators buying them off plan. These people need a huge taxpayer subsidy of course. Let's see how much 'affordable housing' gets built.



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Otta Wrote:

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> There are established communities and tax payers
> all around OKR. To read this you'd thinknot was
> completely uninhabited.

The 'opportunity areas' identified around OKR and Nine Elms / Battersea have with very little housing. This is why they've been identified for development. Of course people live in nearby, but these are not town centres like Camberwell for example. The residents of PC World and Toys R Us along with those of New Covent Garden flower market and the Nine Elms Lane car dealerships, have not been crying out for new transport or campaigning since the 50s for a tube extension.



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