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Looking forward to the summer

Squad about to be announced.

Warburton is captain.
Rumours flying that Jamie Roberts is in and Jonathan Joseph and Mike Brown will miss out - if true that seems absurd for a man who couldn't make the starting XV for any of Wales' 6N games this year.
Maybe shows how Gatland wants to play.

The fact Howley is a coach surprises me still.
Old pals act

He had a good game when he came on against Ireland, but that's not enough to displace someone else.
Anyway it's the All Blacks - there'll be a lot replacements required IMHO.

Tough schedule.
rendelharris Wrote:

Rumours flying that Jamie Roberts is in and
Jonathan Joseph and Mike Brown will miss out - if
true that seems absurd for a man who couldn't make
the starting XV for any of Wales' 6N games this
year.

and now reports he isn't. smiling smiley

Leaks and counter leaks
Forwards:

Rory Best (Ireland), Dan Cole (England), Taulupe Faletau (Wales), Tadhg Furlong (Ireland), Jamie George (England), Iain Henderson (Ireland), Maro Itoje (England), Alun Wyn Jones (Wales), George Kruis (England), Courtney Lawes (England), Joe Marler (England), Jack McGrath (Ireland), Ross Moriarty (Wales), Sean O'Brien (Ireland), Peter O'Mahony (Ireland), Ken Owens (Wales), Kyle Sinckler (England), CJ Stander (Ireland), Justin Tipuric (Wales), Billy Vunipola (England), Mako Vunipola (England), Sam Warburton (Wales)

Backs:

Dan Biggar (Wales), Elliot Daly (England), Jonathan Davies (Wales), Owen Farrell (England), Leigh Halfpenny (Wales), Robbie Henshaw (Ireland), Stuart Hogg (Scotland), Jonathan Joseph (England), Conor Murray (Ireland), George North (Wales), Jack Nowell (England), Jared Payne (Ireland), Jonathan Sexton (Ireland), Tommy Seymour (Scotland), Ben Te'o (England), Anthony Watson (England), Rhys Webb (Wales), Liam Williams (Wales), Ben Youngs (England)
11 Ireland
16 England
12 Wales
2 Scotland
Scottish won't be happy - they performed well this year in patches.
JohnL Wrote:

Scottish won't be happy - they performed well this
year in patches.

True - deserved a better balance. Warren was always going to find a way to go Welsh if in doubt, 12 seems too many to me.

With the possible exception of Henshaw and Payne, I think the Ireland selections (the other 9) were difficult to ignore.
I would have had Launcbury over Lawes.....and how Robshaw isn't on the plane is beyond me.....
I'm sorry to see Ringrose and Zebo omitted. Suprised by Payne being included. I'd also have included Sean Cronin ahead of Rory Best.

Still there will be some injury induced changes before they even leave for NZ I would bet.
Alan Medic Wrote:

I'm sorry to see Ringrose and Zebo omitted.
Suprised by Payne being included. I'd also have
included Sean Cronin ahead of Rory Best.

Still there will be some injury induced changes
before they even leave for NZ I would bet.

Before and during.

This is going to be a taxing tour. Schedule is unbelievable.
"Despite having 16 players in the squad, some England fans are ticked off because Joe Launchbury, George Ford, Dylan Hartley and others have not been picked. The Irish are fed up because Munster and Ireland flanker Donnacha Ryan hasn’t been picked. The Scots are unhappy because they’ve only got two players in the squad and the Welsh are unhappy because Gatland has defied expectations by naming some players in his squad who are English, Irish and Scottish"

Stereotypical Welsh identified in The Guardian smiling smiley
Very good JohnL - I Like that.

I think most Irish I have spoken to are relatively happy. It depends now on who Gatland has in mind for the test teams I guess, but I think the Irish pack plus half backs are fairly represented.
I can see a pretty England-centric pack there - maybe five of eight? - and a fairly balanced set of backs, with the pack becoming more international as the finishers come on. Already licking the lips in anticipation of that first 8AM beer on June 24th...
rendelharris Wrote:

I can see a pretty England-centric pack there -
maybe five of eight? - and a fairly balanced set
of backs, with the pack becoming more
international as the finishers come on. Already
licking the lips in anticipation of that first 8AM
beer on June 24th...

Not sure about that reading of it. The Irish pack, of which there are 6 in the squad, beat the English pack in Dublin, and has also beaten the ABs.

Will be interesting to see the make up of the pack come test #1 - might be a more even blend than you anticipate.

Finishers? though that terminology was finished with.
Now we know the squad.....my 23 for the first test
1. Marler
2. Best
3. Furlong
4. Itoje
5. Kruis
6. Stander
7. Warburton
8. Vunipola (B)
9. Murray
10. Sexton
11. North
12. Farrell
13. Joseph
14. Watson
15. Hogg
16. Vunipola (M)
17. Owens
18. Sinkler
19. Jones (A.W)
20. O' Mahoney
21. Webb
22. Davies
23. Nowell
We are more a Tennis nation anyhow...
Always behind the times me.

I'd open with a scrum of Marler - Best - Cole, Itoje - Wyn Jones, Warburton - Vunipola B - Faletau, with Stander, Vunipola M, Furlong and Tipuric coming in off the bench.

(ETA response to Mick Mac)



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My 15 is almost the same as Jacks09's. But I would have Wyn-Jones in place of Kruis.

1. Marler
2. Best
3. Furlong
4. Itoje
5. Wyn-Jones
6. Stander
7. Warburton
8. Vunipola (B)
9. Murray
10. Sexton
11. North
12. Farrell
13. Joseph
14. Watson
15. Hogg
What I've noticed with the Lions is when the tour starts the team sometimes isn't how you initially would pick it.

However one comment - Gatland seems to have hinted he won't pick Farrell at 12.
Which knowing Gatland means he will smiling smiley
And doesn't mean he wont pick him at 10 of course.
Well if Sexton doesn't last until the 1st Test he may well pick Farrell there.
Shouted at me in work "Jobs for the Boyos"
JohnL Wrote:

Shouted at me in work "Jobs for the Boyos"

That's incredibly racist. Nasty English.
It's a big bold claim.....coming from someone who detests....actually really detests Saracens......Farrell is the best 12 in the world.
jacks09 Wrote:

It's a big bold claim.....coming from someone who
detests....actually really detests
Saracens......Farrell is the best 12 in the world.

I'm a Saracens fan, but have been since the days of Bramley Road, John Buckton, Floyd Steadman, Larry The Lamb (can't remember his real name, but he was a fat winger - a proper fan's favourite) and there was a Scotland international who's name I can't remember.

My Dad used to take me to the games when I was a kid and I remember epic clashes, particularly against the Welsh teams of the time; Swansea (with Maurice Colclough), Bridgend, Newport. Also big amateur games against London Welsh, Richmond, Rosslyn Park.

I also remember all the players joining the fans in the bar after the game (and on occasion at half time!!).
titch juicy Wrote:

> jacks09 Wrote:
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> It's a big bold claim.....coming from someone
who
> detests....actually really detests
> Saracens......Farrell is the best 12 in the
world.

I'm a Saracens fan, but have been since the days
of Bramley Road, John Buckton, Floyd Steadman,
Larry The Lamb (can't remember his real name, but
he was a fat winger - a proper fan's favourite)
and there was a Scotland international who's name
I can't remember.

My Dad used to take me to the games when I was a
kid and I remember epic clashes, particularly
against the Welsh teams of the time; Swansea (with
Maurice Colclough), Bridgend, Newport. Also big
amateur games against London Welsh, Richmond,
Rosslyn Park.

I also remember all the players joining the fans
in the bar after the game (and on occasion at half
time!!).

The Moriarty brothers were so tough at that time.

And now one of their sons is a on tour smiling smiley
Laurence Smith. I've found some information on him, although I was convinced he was a winger. Still, a 17st centre in those days was not all muscle. Very little was muscle from memory!


John Buckton 1984 – 1996
John Buckton, one of the most outstanding three-quarters ever to represent the club, joined Saracens from Hull and East Riding teaming up alongside the 17 stone Laurence Smith to form a highly successful centre partnership. His deceptive snipe-like running made an immediate impact, and he scored eight tries in his first season. He was also selected for the Northern Division against Romania in December 1984.

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