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Planning application submitted for new DHFC stadium

According to today's Southwark News, Hadley Property Group has submitted its "final planning application" for a new DHFC stadium on Green Dale. I can't find anything on Southwark Council's website yet and the article states, "The application will now be considered by Southwark Council, which will start its own consultation period in the near future."

[www.southwarknews.co.uk]

Disappointing that Southwark News didn't print the Friends of Green Dale's response to last week's misleading letter from Liam Hickey, yet they printed another letter today attacking FOGD's position – from someone who states quite incorrectly, "Perhaps a few facts may help to bring a little perspective. The stadium will not extend beyond where the current pitch actually sits." Oh yes it will!
Will there be an M&S on site?
Waitrose and a John Lewis mini store ;)

Oh yes

a Mosque or two
The application's just appeared on the Southwark Council site:
[planbuild.southwark.gov.uk:8190]

Redevelopment of Dulwich Hamlet Football Club to include demolition of existing buildings and the erection of new stadium including playing pitch, clubhouse and stand, 155 residential dwellings in a series of buildings up to 6 storeys, associated car parking and cycle parking, multi-use games area (MUGA), enhancements to existing open space at Green Dale Fields, the creation of new public linear park and the relocation of telecommunication equipment.
BrandNewGuy Wrote:

According to today's Southwark News, Hadley
Property Group has submitted its "final planning
application" for a new DHFC stadium on Green Dale.

Except they haven't. The applications's been made by Bilfinger BVA (or, rather, GVA Grimley Ltd which, for reasons undisclosed, prefers to use an alias) on behalf of Greendale Property Company Limited, which is, I believe, the very same offshore outfit as the freeholder. Why they've chosen this moment to peel back a layer of distransparency isn't clear. Perhaps it's because the likes of Farrells, Savills and all the other hangers-on might not have played ball with an outfit that has (at least on paper) less than no money. Or perhaps it's because it keeps HPG (and thus DHFC) well away from the parts of the redevelopment that might threaten to be profitable.

For those that don't find it fun to pick their way through the fragmentized chaos of the council's site, I've stitched the main application document back together. I think this is OK because it's a public document and, besides, there's no copyright notice on it.
That may be because any notice might have appeared at the end and the financial viability stuff, which would have appeared at the end, is so unutterably confidential that we're not allowed to see what they're trying to get the council to believe. But I'm happy to take full responsibility for that and, should they choose to let me know that they'd prefer me to have noticed what they've hidden, I can make it disappear just as well as they can.
Burbage Wrote:

The applications's been made
by Bilfinger BVA (or, rather, GVA Grimley Ltd
which, for reasons undisclosed, prefers to use an
alias) on behalf of Greendale Property Company
Limited, which is, I believe, the very same
offshore outfit as the freeholder.

Offshore freeholder?

Will the Budget 2016 Red Book paras 2.95 and 2.96 apply?

John K
Useful document Burbage. I couldn't see the plans for the stadium though. Have they been chopped out of the document you linked to?
No, they aren't there yet, which is extraordinary. The list of documents on Southwark's planning site refers to seven 'chapters', but only five are there, so maybe the stadium plans are in the last two chapters. The application details went briefly offline this morning, but there are no more documents there now than there were yesterday.
Very odd. On the face of it, the new stadium looks pretty mediocre.
struggling to open the docs - whats the proposed capacity and seating arrangements? Covers on all sides?
jacks09 Wrote:

struggling to open the docs - whats the proposed
capacity and seating arrangements? Covers on all
sides?

The documents we're currently allowed to see don't have any details about the stadium. In compensation, however, there's some lyrical prose about Farrell's wonderful Vision, and some lovely artistic impressions of how elegantly the 155 residential units will ornament the space they'll be replacing.
Well, the case officer has confirmed (see below) that the application is currently invalid as all the necessary documents have not yet been received. I'm surprised that a proposed development of this scale would drop the ball with regard to the basics.

"Application 16/AP/1232 for the redevelopment of Dulwich Hamlet FC is currently invalid as we have not received all of the required documents from the applicant. Following receipt of these and validation we will be then be starting formal public consultation. Please no not rely on the current information on the Council’s website as due to the number and size of documents submitted it is taking our administration team a significant amount of time to upload them. I would recommend that you wait until formal consultation has begun."
There are 44 more documents on Southwark's planning site:
[planbuild.southwark.gov.uk]

Not all the necessary documents are there yet, though, so the application is still not validated.



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Chapter 6 gives the details of the football stadium
... with further details in the as-yet-not-uploaded Landscape Strategy and Drawings document.
The stitched-together remainder of the application brochure (prospectus?) is now here. I've lowered the picture resolution a bit to get the filesize down, but it seems fine on screen.

The Appendix will follow shortly.
I've been trying to log on to Southwark's planning website for the last few weeks for a different application. I usually get this, whichever phone or computer I use to access the site:

http://i65.tinypic.com/685vr9.png

155 dwellings seems excessive for a plot of land the size of a football pitch.



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And Here's the appendix.



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@Blackcurrant - you need to think in three dimensions: they are planning 6 stories, using the goddawful King's nursing accommodation as a precedent (btw, how did _that_ get built?).

But you're right in your general point: this is going to change the area completely, including the "open" aspect of the remaining Metropolitan Open Land.
Yes, at six stories tall it's enormous and very unattractive. The "linear park" is laughable. I fully expect it to get approval though.
here's hoping
There are now a whopping 236 documents uploaded. Not quite Panama Papers, but this is going to take some time to go through...
[planbuild.southwark.gov.uk]
This is one of the key documents - the justification for the whole thing, contained in section 6. From a quick look through, the primary justification for building on MOL is the contention that the club is financially unsustainable in its current form, yet I have not so far found any accounts or financial statements in the submission that support this (frankly surprising) assertion.

[planbuild.southwark.gov.uk]
I've redone the technical drawing to calculate the ground taken by the proposed development using the original data from the submitted planning application. Where my last drawings were as accurate as possible given the total lack of dimensions offered in the public consultations, these are totally accurate to Hadley's/Farrell's own drawings.

The alarming figures are:

Total Metropolitan Open Land (MOL) taken in new stadium development - 8121 square meters
Area needed beyond existing astroturf pitch - 2733 square meters (one third of total MOL needed)
Area of MOL to be built upon (covered terraces, infrastructure, 2.4m concrete wall) -1282 square meters.

This final figure equates to more than 16 average UK house sizes built on MOL.

I've again attached a representation of the drawing to illustrate the figures.

I urge local residence to object to this planning application by leaving a comment on the Southwark planning page, and also by writing into the Planning department to object.
I don't understand why anyone would be disturbed by that. The stadium will improve that area hugely.
taper Wrote:

I don't understand why anyone would be disturbed
by that. The stadium will improve that area
hugely.

The local people are disturbed by the loss of a third of their open space, which is a well loved natural environment and the building of a huge wall through the middle of the Green Dale. For reference, take a walk down the service road and have a look at a stadium wall with 'shielding planting'.

The latest drawing shows the claim that the new stadium will fit on the astro-turf is a fiction. It requires an extra 2733 square meters of Green Dale. This non astro-turf MOL at risk includes fifty trees, many of which are mature. They are an important green corridor and an area where hedgehogs have been tracked and several species of bats recorded.

The plans will loose the current astro-turf pitch, used regularly for footy and informally organised youth football training sessions. The replacement MUGA will actually be pre-booked expensive tennis courts for the luxury flats.

The large area of land needed to the North of the current astro-turf pitch is of particular local cultural importance, being the sunny open plot where 500 short films were made on outdoor wooden stages at the start of cinema history in 1904 by Gaumont. This area is covered in meadow ant mounds that signify the land has never been disturbed or developed. The proposal cuts 19.5 meters into this bank and will require thousands of tons of virgin land removed.
Virgin land! Come off it. The asset of local cultural importance in that area is Dulwich Hamlet Football club. And if its future can be secured using a derelict piece of AstroTurf and insignificant and seldom used bits of the area bordering it, then so be it. If you were at the game yesterday, you will have seen a club that's the beating heart of its community. Fetishising this land risks all of that. And for what? The irony of course is that part of this plan are about bringing back greendale into proper public access and use; something we haven't seen for decades. Arguing it is some sort of precious wilderness that should be preserved in aspic is against the community interest.
Hi taper,
That seems a bit disingenuous. DHFC have had control of the Greendale area for close to 25 years. So to criticise the community for DHFC not managing the area they've been leasing. Come on.

DHFC may be the beating heart for SOME in our community. But very far from universally. The tweets etc this weekend purporting to come from fans antagonising nearby residents makes it clear that some fans really do not want to have anything to do with the local community.

I'd very much like the club to be such a beating heart. But this planning application will work towards exactly the opposite.

If the application is approved with MoL being taken as proposed means all our parks and open spaces will become game for developers. They'd just need to find similar 'special cases' by threatening to close other popular clubs, etc.

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Examples off the Tweets? I didn't see any. Please tell me you're not talking about Mr Govier.

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