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Camberwell Grove bridge closed for at least 6 months

Apologies if anyone has already posted about this - I couldn't see anything.

The bridge on Camberwell Grove has been closed and will remain closed to all vehicle traffic for at least 6 months. The Council hopes to have it open for 2-way cycle traffic by Friday.

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The roadworks on Lyndhurst Way have been suspended as the combination of the bridge closure and roadworks have left the area around Lyndhurst Grove and Lyndhurst Way virtually gridlocked at times.

Avoid the area if possible.

GM99
Also at the bottom of Chadwick Road where it joins Lyndhurst Way, Southwark has allowed construction work to build houses entailing built storage structures into the road which has closed off half the road and 50 ft of pavement which is causing traffic build up. All it takes is one large lorry and that is it.
Not surprising given that many trucks try and squeeze over it on fairly regular basis so the bridge is probably failing. It would not surprise me if the six months turns into a permanent closure. A boon to the residents of Camberwell Grove, but a massive pain for anyone living around Bellenden - which was chaos last night thanks to the through traffic being rerouted down and along Lyndhust, then up via Bellenden, Maxted, Adys etc, rather than up the Grove and then Dog Kennel Hill.
If one can go back a few years the residents of Camberwell Grove tried to get the bridge closed but fortunately a mass turnout of residents at a meeting in the chapel on the Grove put a stop to this.

British Rail at that meeting promised to reinstate a new bridge as the old one could not handle the weight of large vehicles, hence the measures there now, and the measure that is now there was only temporary.

No doubt Camberwell Grove residents will again be working behind the scenes to make your fears come true. The main reason they offered up was it was a rat run. At that meeting it was rather like the film independence Day. One day it was all quiet and not a vehicle in sight, they all went to bed and the next day traffic that did not exist before they bought suddenly appeared.

Camberwell Grove has alway been a major highway from the moment it was built and should continue as such. This reason was excepted 100% by all parties concerned. The side roads cannot handle the traffic.

Has anyone actually seen any official reasons and data to support the current closure?

With Southwark Road plans these days one has to be very vigilante as things just get passed on a TMO.



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Sounds so familiar!


"If I lived in Camberwell Grove I would want the bridge closed...."
I remember that meeting well. The Camberwell Grove residents played a dirty but skilful game then and they'll do so again no doubt. They are a powerful, well organised and resourceful bunch. But were defeated ultimately by residents of Lyndhurst Grove and the toast rack roads.
"dirty but skilful" - how very House of Cards. "Toast Rack Roads" - I don't think so.
We used to live on CG (at the top end) and when the bridge was completely closed for all that time it was a huge pain. When it reopened with the road narrowing necessitated by the weak bridge, it was perfect. Access both ways but prevention of oversized vehicles using the Grove. There's no room for passing for large vehicles in several places, so opening it with no width restrictions would be horrendous.

Now it's closed again and we live in Camberwell (below the bridge), it's horrendous again.

They need to strengthen the bridge, open the rod and maintain a width restriction.
As is with the road restriction is perfect. Unfortunately common sense always seems lacking when they have their own agendas.

Yesterday walking through Grove Park via Chadwick Road the traffic was horrendous and having the refuse collection taking place traffic came to a standstill till they reached the bottom.
Now it's closed again and we live in Camberwell (below the bridge), it's horrendous again.

EdCam - are you a troll?
DuncanW Wrote:

Now it's closed again and we live in Camberwell
(below the bridge), it's horrendous again.

EdCam - are you a troll?

Ha! Not literally "below" I hasten to add. Although if you're a goat, watch yourself around these parts. I live between CG and what the estate agents nauseatingly call "the toast rack". About where you'd put the marmalade.

Yup - Lyndhurst Grove/Chadwick etc. is awful because of this.
yes, apologies for using the "toast rack" shorthand!

It was dreadful on Lyndhurst Grove last time the road was shut. It's a pretty bad rat run at the best of times.



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I used to live close to Camberwell grove and was appalled at how network rail were allowed to completely negate their duty to fix the bridge. The same has happened on Windsor walk and will keep happening.
as a toast rack resident, I can confirm that traffic is absolutely awful right now with this closure. Fingers crossed thpugh that this helps spur residents on to vote for a CPZ. As the consultation closes next week, I hope thos happens, as it will help quieten down the wider roads anyway without the heavy traffic looking for spaces and to get past the .
This closure is also exhasibated with the now permenant closure of the road by Denmark Hill Station that allowed access to Grove Lane. I am not aware of any consultations. Any news?
The introduction of restricted parking on Lyndhurst/Shenley etc will not really help. All the residents living 'below' the road closure have to do a massive tour to get to Sainsbury's or Herne Hill.

I have a feeling this 'temporary' closure of the bridge will turn in to a permanent one just like the one at DKH station, there just doesn't seem to be the will nor money to actually maintain/repair these bridges.
As people have pointed out at the last meeting held regarding this bridge, British Rail, Southwark etc all agreed that it would be replaced.

If people can remember it was at the same time as the Borough had its new bridge swung in.

It was mentioned that this could be done.

Agree residents on Camberwell Grove will do all they can to stop the Grove opening. Their last wheeze was having a Toll gate like Dulwich. It was laughed out of court.
Stopping Cyclists riding over looks very unnecessary.
But then all these Southwark road works are managed and supervised by "specialists" who's main objective is to cause as much unnecessary disruption as possible, for as long as possible and to be as expensive as possible.
Brown paper envelopes system must oil the way. ;)
Anyone remember Peckham Rye and the unnecessary diversion and road works that aided the death of that young girl ... as dangerous as possible too ..
fortunately and hopefully extra fatalities don't look like they've been built into this (mole hill to mountain) project.

Seriously it could be replaced in a couple of months in almost any other country couldn't it?
I will never forget the little girl who needlessly died at the lights by peckham rye. My daughter was the same age and a mum from school lay with her whilst she passed away.
It haunted us all for a long time and is still upsetting. A tragic waste of life because although the work had finished the workmen hadn't removed the temp lights.
jimlad48 Wrote:

as a toast rack resident, I can confirm that
traffic is absolutely awful right now with this
closure. Fingers crossed thpugh that this helps
spur residents on to vote for a CPZ. As the
consultation closes next week, I hope thos
happens, as it will help quieten down the wider
roads anyway without the heavy traffic looking for
spaces and to get past the .

You're very much deluded if you think CPZ will help in any way around the area... really think about it and be careful what you wish for - once it's in...*shrugs
I lived in Camberwell, north of the bridge when it was closed (due to structural issues). It was a nightmare. Network Rail promised that they would reopen it and as a temporary measure it was reduced to one lane. The same has now happened on Windsor Walk. Regardless of whether or not one thinks that reducing traffic to a single lane, or closing access to a road entirely is a good idea or not, this is not how such decisions should be made. I wonder how many crossings need to close before the people charged with their maintenance are actually held to account.



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we live off the upper end of Camberwell Grove. Closure of the bridge means that I can't shop in Camberwell en route into town as it takes so long to drive round. I was told yesterday by a neighbour that the closure will be for five years! how long does it take to rebuild one tiny bridge?

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Fiona Holman
I agree it is a pain having the bridge closed, but it doesn't take that long to drive down Chadwick Rd and back up Lyndhurst - less than 5 mins so it needn't stop you shopping in Camberwell.
Last Thursday a lorry came up Chadwick Road and could not move because of the traffic from Camberwell Grove. Chadwick Road was shut for approx 40 minutes.

The lorry had to reverse the whole length of the road from the railway bridge.

Jams are now the norm on the road.
I do think that there should be more traffic signs on surrounding roads indicating the closure of the bridge .

Is there a sign at the junction of Lyndhurst Way and Lyndhurst Grove ?
intexasatthe moment Wrote:

I do think that there should be more traffic signs
on surrounding roads indicating the closure of the
bridge .

Is there a sign at the junction of Lyndhurst Way
and Lyndhurst Grove ?


No but they wouldn't make any difference. It's horrendous round there and will be for a long time to come. None of the roads allow for two way traffic and it adds a huge amount of time to local journeys.
I believe that Southwark Council had its own agenda on traffic flow and this traffic chaos will prompt them to bring in traffic regulation that the pen pushers want not the general resident population.

How many of the pen pushers actually live in the area? Not many I would think.

Local residents know best. Have you every been asked. Real residents not the cycle mafia.
It does take quite a bit of time to drive via Lyndhurst Grove, particularly the bend between the VIlla nursery and the closed down Irish pub doesn't allow two way traffic. Regularly there are motorists stuck there, plus shouting, beeping etc.
edcam - you say that having a sign indicating closure at j of Lyndhurst Way and Lyndhurst Junction wouldn't help much .
It would have helped me .I would have chosen to drive to ED via Bellenden ,Maxted and Adys Rd .
Having been in touch with Southwark Council, I thought others might be interested in the following:

In relation to the bridge on Camberwell Grove:

"With respect to a timescale for strengthening the bridge and re-opening to vehicular traffic, this is currently difficult to provide. We have to complete the design, obtain Network Rail approval for the design, secure the funding for the works from TfL, and then arrange the required rail closure with Network Rail to carry out the works. Being realistic, I can’t see this happening until April 2016 at the earliest which is the information provided to local residents. However, if there is any possibility of advancing this timescale, then the works will be carried out as soon as practicable."

And in relation to the current closure outside Denmark Hill station/the Phoenix pub on Windsor Walk:

"The closure on Windsor Walk is related although this scheme is further advanced than Camberwell Grove as the required design for the strengthening works is well underway. In an ideal world, we would hope to carry out the strengthening works to both bridges at the same time, and using the same track closure. However, we will not delay the works on one bridge if the other design has not been completed and received the required technical approvals."

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